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and me and my mom have put into it, it just seems that we've been fighting for a long time and i think it's time for a change. >> it is time for a change and i think people are going to start to see the reality of what that looks like. >> thank you very much. that is all for our show. rachel maddow is next. >> thank you, my friend. >> this is not certainly that has happened in 17 years. this is huge news. here's how it looked on the front page of the "virginian pilot," and "the news & observer," the "deseret news," the "denver post" and "the des moines register" and "the vindicator" and then the "tampa tribune" and here's "the daily news" i'm not sure i'm allowed to show on television, showing you "the house of turds," is grossing you out, i'm sorry.
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>> "the new york daily news" had this, the take on house of cards starring kevin spacey. not the first time they called out the irresponsible side of a shutdown fight. this was the cover when newt gingrich forced another government shutdown. >> when i was leaving washington to come back to new york this morning, i picked up the print versions of "the washington post" and the "new york times" with their big shutdown stories today. "shutdown, shutdown" in big type, right? but i also picked up "the
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washington times," which is a conservative newspaper. they're a really conservative newspaper. they really only market themselves to conservatives. so the one big in-house ad they've got in the paper today is this one, which is selling "washington times" t-shirts which say "conservatives are cool" and the "o"s are hipster glasses. the only other ads they have are these half-page ads and they advertise eight talk radio shows and all eight of them are old right wing white guys, 8 for 8. they have an expensive wrap around news ad. it must have been expensive, it's for the nra. it highlights this inspiring story of a young woman with a gun who says she wants to grow up to an nra lobbyist. aw.
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there's one book review today, a biography of fdr and "the washington times" reviewer gets so worked up in condemning the predations of fda as a sexual adventurer. wow, really? that "the washington times" reviewer sort of forgets to review the book. yes, this is technically a book review but did i mention how terrible fdr was? conservative media exists in print and it is just as weird there as it is on tv and on the far side of your radio dial. it is a completely different universe to the rest of the media world at least. so where the rest of the world is marveling today at "shut down, shut down, shut down," the largest government on earth in nearly 20 years is shut down.
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here's the front page of the conservative newspaper, "the obama care drama." there's apparently something to do with obama care and too much abortion. in "the washington times," they put it in the same font and type size -- it's up top, there it is, as the date of the paper. see right there below the date? yes, technically there it is. no need to make a big deal out of it "shutdown." the one article they have on the shutdown is on the inside paper on page 6 and on the headline, you can see how it really is no big deal. "shutdown poses little threat to national economy." nothing like the "obama care drama," something, something abortion.
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a trip to conservative media land right now is a trip to a very different experience than the rest of the country thinks we are having. at the fox news channel, they are not calling it a shutdown of the government. they are calling it a slim down of the federal government. not a shut down at all, a slim down. and as these things do, what happens first in the conservative media is now crossing over into official republican politics and now the republican party senate campaign committee is saying it's not a shut down, it's not a slim down even, it's a slow down. take a load off, there's no crisis here, this all sounds kind of good. they want you to know from the head line, this is not actually a shut down. at the "daily caller," they have admitted it's a shutdown because they have found 11 reasons to love the shutdown, it's awesome. taking a trip to the conservative world today is
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taking a long strange strip away from what the government shutdown means. it is different there. these are the 80 republicans members of the house to wrote to house speaker john boehner just over a month ago demanding that speaker boehner shut down the federal government, demanding specifically he make the funding of the federal government contingent on dismantling health care reform. he got 80 signatures from that letter and himself and his republican colleagues before he sent the letter to speaker boehner demanding a shutdown of the 80 who signed the letter, 78 are white, 76 are white, overall latinos are 17% of the average house district, but for these guys' disabilities it's less than 10%.
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president obama won the last election by millions of votes but not in these guys' districts. in these guys' districts, president obama lost by an average of 23 points. republicans in the states have gerrymandered these districts so that they are essentially pure republican. in order to get them that way and keep them that way, they have to keep making them whiter and whiter and whiter. if they could make them more male, i'm sure they would do that, too. white works for now. lower education levels work and they have to be rural in order to create districts that safe for these guys. republicans have had to create districts for themselves that are less and less diverse over time, even as the rest of the country gets more diverse. crunching the numbers, he found
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"these 80 members represented an america where the population is getting whiter, where there are few major cities where obama lost the election in a landslide and where the republicans party is becoming more dominant and more popular." in the rest of the country, in our own national politic, each of these trends is reversed. so the faction that demanded it from john boehner a month ago and has it on the term they demanded, they represent geographically specific slivers of the country are rural and as close as you can get to 100% republican. those specific members of congress want a government shutdown, to want the most controversial stance they can take against the president who
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so unpopular in their districts. why is it rational for the republican party to let those folks drive for the whole party and to the whole country? yes, there are 80 republican members of the house at least whose narrowly drawn disabilities make a shutdown seem like good politics. they're never going to go home and listen to an angry town hall about why did you shut down the government? the only anger they're going to hear is that they didn't go far enough. if someone wants to poll about secession from the country in those districts, i bet you'll find some eye opening opinions there as well. the question is why that group is now setting policy for the whole party an therefore, for the whole country. and what would you do right now if you were a republican who did not agree with those folks in your own party?
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what would you do? even if you were a conservative, if you were a conservative in the republican party right now and you did not agree that there should be a shutdown. inside your party right now, inside the house, what would you do if the agenda that was being followed was the agenda of those 80 members of congress who will never, ever, ever have to answer for shutting it down? what would you do if you didn't agree? joining us now is one of only ten republicans in the house of representatives who says that we should just pass a clean, stand-alone bill to fund the government and stop the shutdown. he's home to one of the highest numbers of military service personnel. thank you for being with us. >> nice to join you, rachel. >> maybe as a house republican you know and we don't. how long do you expect the shutdown to go on? >> it will probably go on a few days.
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the gerrymandered districts, you're on to something else. conversely there are just as many skewed hard democrat. so i tell you, both sides have contributed to the disfunction we have up here. i believe that gerrymandered districts are the principle cause of gridlock in washington. next time we have these redistricting efforts, certainly in virginia, we got to do something about this. it's not right for our country. >> if we do nonpartisan districting, some states do that. if we have a national standard for expert redistricts that was not done by one of the parties for their own advantage, do you think any of the republicans would support that? >> well, they've got to. i tell americans in our district, look, we've got to be involved in this process because we really can't continue this
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way. and, rachel, some of the things you said i agree with but some i sharply disagree with. that won't surprise you. those 80 members committed to a shutdown, i disagree with that. i've never heard that privately or publicly. since i've been in office, the house has been dysfunctional, the senate has been dysfunctional. so what do we end up with? continuing resolutions. they harm our country and they're not right. we were trying to express our best ideas for policy via the continuing resolution. i was one who was saying, looking i don't think that we ought to advance the affordable care act.
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i got a call just yesterday from a union member who was upset, i thought he was going to be upset with me. he said, no, i'm upset with this law because it affecting his health care. so i think a delay certainly was in order and i'm sorry i didn't get it. >> i understand that you and i would disagree about the health of the budget progress but where we are now is pass a continuing resolution that doesn't make policy, that's just a continuing resolution or the government stops. you obviously believe it's not worth stopping the government to try to force policy into this process. >> well, that's true. >> you are one of ten republicans who have said this is the way to go, we shouldn't have the shutdown. that's only 5% of your caucus. >> i think there's more. i look at this this way. we are down to -- the lift that we are trying to get across the curb here was the delay of the individual mandate.
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we'd given up lots of things. we'd actually made major concessions along the way. i was disappointed, maybe not surprised but disappointed that the senate basically told us to pound sand really. i thought we were negotiating and trying in a good faith effort to advance something. but we got down to the individual mandate, the one-year delay plus the stopping the subsidies of health care for members of congress and staff. both things i think got to be advanced. but we have to consider the trade-off, which is a lot of pain economically, damage to our military. and to me it just didn't make sense for to us continue to hurt our economy and our men and women in uniform to advance those two goals. we'll fight another day. i do think we ought to stop where we are now and go ahead and fund the government and get us back on track. >> i hear you when you say that what you have to balance now is the cost of not moving ahead versus moving ahead. whether or not this was the right place to be negotiating
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over obama care is a place where we would dramatically disagree. but where we stand right now, you are one of the few republicans trying to get us out of the shutdown and i appreciate your willingness to explain your point of view. >> thank you very much. >> congressman scott rigell of virginia. >> it turns out one of the ways members of congress have been coping with the impressive pressures of this week is that they've been calling on their own friend john barleycorn. if it doesn't mean anything for you, that's what wikipedia is for. why the house of representatives has sometimes spelled like a distillery in the past couple of days is coming right up.
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america, meet herman the sturgeon he's quite old, roughly 70. he lives in the river about 40 miles outside portland, oregon. he has his own special underwater viewing area where you can watch him swimming around at the bonneville fish hatchery. he's pretty much the star of the people there. he's often the highlight for field trip to the bonneville dam, which is a rite of passage for that country, unless of course your rite of passage gets cancelled by your country.
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fourth graders were all set to visit herman the sturgeon this week this friday but the hatchery is funded by the federal government. so the hatchery is closed and the teacher took this picture of students learning a government shutdown means. to the disillusionment of the fourth graders in oregon today and finance losses of more than 800,000 federal employees who will be missing paychecks as long as this goes on, not to mention all the work that goes on. today there was one half-hearted effort in congress to try to stop at least some parts of the shutdown.
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republican house speaker john boehner proposed opening just some select parts of the federal government, really visible ones that people might complain about like, say, the v.a. or national parks. one by one republicans proposed they would just reopen things that they liked or were already missing or they were hearing complaints about, otherwise they would let the shutdown go on. tonight the house voted on three separate piecemeal bills to fund the national parks and v.a. and city government. all votes failed. so that was like plan k. plan l? maybe plan m? it's hard to keep track. is there a next plan and is it likely to work. joining me is congresswoman louise slaughter. thank you so much for being with us tonight.
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>> don't we live in interesting times, rachel. >> that is an ancient curse for a reason. what has it been like for you watching republicans maneuver themselves into the shutdown and not watching themselves try to get out. >> if i tell you every now and then you have to be really harsh with your brain and say please don't try to process that, it doesn't make any sense and it's giving me a headache. it's been absolutely awful. all of this, all of this is about stopping giving 30 million americans health care. >> i just asked republican congressman scott rigell if he sees light at the end of the tunnel there. he says he thinks there's hope, that people will come away to his way of thinking -- >> i learned just before i left the capital that we're going into committee to give those bills a rule so they can pass
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them just by majority vote. they will send it to the senate and senator reid will send it back. after they got cloture on the bill in the senate, they didn't have to vote on that party anymore. so all they're doing are amendments and so therefore senator reid only has to get 51 votes. they're desperate to get out of that. this whole conference idea was to get them back up to the 60 vote necessary pledge they made. i would love to see that go. but that's what that was about. and did you hear about kantor's picture today? >> with the appointed conferrees and empty chairs? >> eight white guys. i went down today to tell them by this afternoon 7.5 million people had accessed new york state's own health exchange, how
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about that and they had glitches all day long. that's 10% of the population of the state of new york. >> wow. what do you think about what they're trying to do -- what they tried to do today and what they're trying to do tomorrow in terms of this piecemeal approach to funding? what's your approach to that? >> they high fived -- whatever. i'm not that hip. they were just gleeful last night, they were giddy on shutting down the house. i think this, as you know, is senator ted cruz's strategy. i think they will continue doing that. one of the last members said the two agencies open will be the epa and i don't believe there's some wide-eyed group making people do want they want to do. yesterday of the first time they had any break at all.
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peter king thought he had 25 people. i think he ended up with two. i've been around here too long. i've been through this. i went through the clinton health care bill. and i want to tell you, we went through the same kind of thing. it was trying to stop it. but, you know, you've been on to this for quite a while. what they're afraid of is success. i would think with 7.5 million people wanting to find out what it's all about, it looks pretty good to me. >> congresswoman louise slaughter, i was flipping back and forth all night seeing you holding court in the rules committee. thank you for being up there and being consistently entertaining in how you were addressing the issues, kept me up. >> well, thank you. >> congressional behavior, at least on one side, has been enough to kind of make you wonder what were they drinking. seriously, though, what were they drinking? because they were drinking.
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so the government shutdown a crisis we could see coming from a long way off. we knew in advance when it was going to happen. that's why we were able to have countdown clocks, that everyone happen, including us, on our screen, as we calibrated done to the very last minute when this huge news was going to occur. when you know if advance that it's going to be huge news and
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you know in advance when that huge news is going to happen, that is a great time to plan ahead to bury some other news that you really don't want to get much notice. so in the last would you mean of days we have had the marine corps announce the forced retirement of two marine corps generals, specifically for poor performance on the battlefield in afghanistan. it's the first time it's happened in the u.s. military since 1971 in vietnam. and we had a withdrawal for one of the top energy regulators. he was nominated by president obama, he was opposed bitterly from the coal industry. he chose to withdraw his name from consideration in the most quiet of all exits. the united states air force chose this week to announce it has taken action against the number two commander in charge of our nation's nuclear arsenal
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and cyber warfare. the deputy commander of the strategic command in omaha was accused of using counterfeit gambling chips at an iowa casino. that's what he was doing when he wasn't second in command about our nuclear forces. >> meanwhile, members of congress are reportedly coping with the tremendous stress and around-the-clock hours and all-consuming nature of the government shutdown by getting hammered. first reports were on saturday from politico's ginger gibson who tweeted that night that she could literally smell booze wafting from members as they walked off the floor. she said "i am not overexaggerating." >> buzz feed's kate nocera said she you a members of congress run into the liquor store.
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jennifer bendery announced that every other lawmaker smelled like booze. and the government is set to shut down at midnight unless we address this by midnight. the point is, it's supposed to be after you're done with your trying times. after. not when you're in the middle of hurling your entire country into the abyss. our start up is not making any money yet
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spontaneous applause, clapping with happiness. babies do it all the time because they are joyful little dumplings, yay! but for adult, it has to be something like winning a million dollars on a tv game show or something. you might jump up and down and start clapping. it's a high bar, right? for one contingent in congress, the events of the last 48 hours have been something akin to wing the showcase showdown or picking the right vowel or whatever. from "the washington post" yesterday, "on cusp of showdown, house conservatives excited." it's wonderful, said senator john culberson, clapping his hands, we are 100% united. he was described as giddy over the weekend when she shut down
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the government. representative john culberson shouted out his own encouragement ", like " 9/11, let's roll." >> and congressman schweikert was eager, his eyes wide and a discernible spring in his step. for some members of congress, this has just been awesome. they've been really happy. congresswoman michele bachmann told "the washington post," "we are very excited. it is exactly what we wanted." the republican party took control of the house in the 2010 mid-term elections.
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they got the house, john boehner became the speaker. but before that election, before they even got control of the house of representatives, six months before that election republicans running for congress and conservative media and prominent voices on the right were already promising, already hoping that if the republicans could win themselves the majorities in the house, they would go for a government shutdown, even before they got elected. >> now, there's going to be a government shutdown, just like in '95 and '96. but we're going to win it this time and i'll be fighting on your side. >> so starve them of the fun, starve the bee, so to speak? >> absolutely and have the courage to shut down the government, if we have to. >> if we say, look, we're in partnership with the american people, we're listening to the american people, if the government shuts down, we want you with us.
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>> there are a lot worse things than shutting down the government. you know what one thing is? one thing worse is continuing with the government the way it is now. >> those were all before the election. giddy is the used to describe how the republicans felt before winning the election, quote, i'm almost giddy thinking about a government shutdown next year. and mike lee was giddy about winning and then using power in the senate to do just that. it was not a secret that the wave of republicans who swept into office in the mid-term elections in 2010 were psyched about sticking a wrench in the government, about making the government stop working. they ran for office promising their base that's what they
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would do with power if they got it. and starting right after the election, just days after the 2010 election, they got to work on what they said they would work on. >> are you willing to participate in what would lead to a shutdown of the federal government to stop this monstrosity from going down the tracks? >> i think i agree with congressman boehner. we need to do whatever's necessary to make sure this bill never goes into effect. >> congressman, would you be willing, you just answered it with health care, but when it comes to fiscal policy, are you willing to participate in a shutdown of the government if it's the only way to get the president to come to the table? >> we will do what we have to do to shut down the government if we have to. >> you think if that were to happen, it wouldn't be as bad as people think it would be? >> do you think shut down ought to be off the table? >> i think everything ought to be on the table. >> most people in my district say shut it down. this country may need some sort of shock therapy.
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>> would it be a good thing fiscally and philosophically to shut down the government and people will say we can go on with the government for a while. >> i don't think it would hurt one bit. >> the government is going to have to shut down. >> if liberals would rather shut down the government instead of making a small down payment on fiscal discipline and reform, i save shut it down. >> it's been roughly two and a half years since republicans got control of the house in the election. in those two and a half years they've threatened to shut down the government seven times. they were unsuccessful six times but the seventh time is the charge.
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this week has not given them a legislative victory or achieve a policy change that addresses problems. they just ran out the clock and got the government to stop working, which is what they said they wanted all along. there's been a variety of reasons why they wanted it. the only thing consistent is they said they wanted it shut down. president obama said today we need a successful republican party, we need a republican party that's interested in governing. if we want a stable and functioning government, that is exactly what we need, but that is a big if. and it can't be denied that a lot of republicans in congress now ran for congress by promising their constituencies that if they got to congress, they would use their power in congress to shut down the government. and you can tell from the smiles on their faces mission accomplished as far as they're concerned. now that we are shut down, why do we think they are suddenly going to get embarrassed about this?
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joining suss carol tumulty, a reporter for "the washington post." >> hi, rachel. >> what is the appeal of a shutdown, going back to when they were campaigning for a shutdown in the first place? >> if you look at the house of representatives now, the republicans, fewer than one-fifth of those republicans were in the house in 1995 and in early 1996 when it shut down. let me tell you, rachel, you talk to those guys that were here before, they are not clapping their hands because they've seen this movie and they know how it ends. but i think these men and women ran in a different environment, and they also ran in sort of a mythology about at happened the last time around. and they somehow think it comes out differently.
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>> i wanted to ask you about that last point specifically because i have been hung up on this idea that every time i start researching in the conservative media and i look at transcripts of conservative talk radio hosts or i go back and look at old conservative speeches on the subject of the lesson of the 1995/1996 shutdown, i feel like i'm seeing a pretty consistent revisionist history of the shutdown, didn't hurt newt gingrich losing the speakership, bob dole was just a bad candidate and clinton was going to win anyway. i feel like there is a revisionist history. is that what they're telling each other? >> the republicans were really riding high and president clinton was pretty much flat on his back prior to that shutdown. i looked at our polling numbers and going into that shutdown in 1995, bob dole was only behind bill clinton in the "washington post" poll by 6 points. coming out of that shutdown, he was behind by 16 points.
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and while it is true that in the next election that certainly sent bill clinton on his road to a landslide in the next election, really resurrected his presidency, but also the republicans will say, look, we held on to our house majority, we only lost two seats and we picked up two seats in the senate. and what that overlooks is what happened in 1996. you get to the middle of 1996 and the polling is suggesting they're going to lose the house. so what the republicans did is they begin to do a lot of deals with bill clinton, including welfare reform, a crime bill. essentially it was a sophie's choice because they had to sort of cut bob dole loose. they took his best issues away from him. but that's what happened. >> karen, in terms of the way that governing is going now in this last couple of years, you coined the phrase this week that this is "governing by near death
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experience," crisis to crisis, to crisis. how does that affect what we can and can't do in this country, not just partisan balance but what we're capable of. >> the most corrosive thing about this is after each of these near death experiences, they haven't resolved anything and the two sides become more fixed in their positions in is the first time we have come right up to the 11th hours and the two sides are not even talking to each other. the republicans have made a demand that barack obama is never going to meet and barack obama has decided his preach negotiations with the republicans suggest there's nothing in it for him to engage as well. so we're not settling anything with any of these crises. all we're doing is pushing the two sides further apart. >> karen tumulty, national political reporter for "the washington post" and someone who has been writing with particularly insightful wit, thank you for being with us.
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>> thank, rachel. >> what congresswoman louise slaughter said just moments ago on this show about republicans and the empty chairs and the eight white guys, hold on, i will explain. that's next.  [ male announcer ] this one goes out to all the allergy muddlers.
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one reminder. the government shutdown resulted from what was supposed to be an argument about the budget. democratic senator patty murray is the chair of the budget committee in the senate. it was a sophie's choice. they had to cut bob dole loose. they took the best issues away from him. >> in terms of the way if we are governing how does that affect what we can and can't do as a country. but what we are capable of.
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posed, eight white guys across from a row of empty chairs because the photo is supposed to indicate where are the democrats, empty chairs, empty chairs. apparently nobody learned anything from the national convention this year. debating with an empty chair. is hilarious. until the time when you are debating an empty chair and you are losing the debate. clint. hold on, that story is next.
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world war ii began in europe in 1939. the military deployed troops into the war in 1941. then the war ended four years later in 1945.
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16 million americans served in the arm forces in world war ii. more than 400,000 americans died in that war. almost half of a century later, a democratic congresswoman, marci captor, was approached by a stitch constituent wanted to know why there was no memorial. congresswoman kaptur introduced the bill in the house it did not pass. reintroduced it in 1989, it did not pass. two years after that, 1991, introduced it again. it did not pass. finally, 1993, the fourth time, marci kaptur introduced the bill again, a day after strom thurman introduced and she got it passed. bill clinton signed it into law. the world war ii memorial was
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finally going to happen and finally going to be built. took about a year to pick the location. four years to pick a design. in 2001 they broke ground. constructed started. and three years later the memorial was complete. all most 60 years after the end of world war ii. it took so long for congresswoman kaptur to get the world war ii memorial green lit. then it took so long to build, open and there was one very sober, serious consequence of the delay for the honor built for soldiers in the war. just too long down the road. many veterans who served in the war did not live 60 years beyond the end of the war to see the memorial was built to them. so in 2005, the year after the memorial opened to the public. a nonprofit corporation started helping world war ii veterans get to the memorial. from wherever they lived in the
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country free of charge. the organization arranged travel. flying vets to see the memorial to their contribution. the goal its to get every veteran who wants few see the memorial to see it. well when the government shut down early this morning, one of the parts of government that shut down was -- the world war ii memorial. and all of the memorials. that however did not stop dozens of world war ii veterans who showed up on an honor flight trip to see the memorial today. together they walked up, cult the police tape. they removed the barriers that the memorial and they want on in. they had traveled from across the country to see the memorial honoring their service and were not going to let the pesky government shutdown get in the way. they are awesome. some veterans were escorted. some kept their mouth shut. some could not resist the opportunity for a self serving photo-op to wrap in the veterans' glory to lament the closing of this memorial to the honorable veterans though they themselves had voted for the
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shutdown that closed the memorial. veterans of course earned the right to visit the world war ii memorial whenever they want. only right that they ignored the government shutdown to come let their journey to washington. members of congress who made it their own story today, their own hypocritical story in particular, should be embarrassed if they're capable of it. with that, the same members paid similar tribute to all people serving in military right now. while the men and women in uniform will continue to get paid despite the shutdown, bases across the country are issuing furlough notices to civilian workers who provide a range of services. marine corps installations, in northern california and arizona, 3,500 employees. fort bragg, furloughing half of their almost 15,000 strong civilian work force. fort bragg cutting back on family counseling and survivor outreach. if we as a country feel there is political capital and moral investment in making sure that veterans in this country get

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